Comments on: Forced Changes In My Browser http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/ Some Random Thoughts Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:20:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sebastian Thürrschmi http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-546 Sebastian Thürrschmi Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:36:17 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-546 people who say ‘you broke my internet/browser’ Come one, GNU/Linux is not Windows, Ubuntu is not Microsoft (only getting there, veeery slowly ;)), and Firefox is not IE! The average Ubuntu user is much, much smarter than that. Maybe she'll be slightly irritated when first searching the web after upgrading to Lucid, but for no longer than the few seconds it takes to change the default back to the right search engine. people who say ‘you broke my internet/browser’

Come one, GNU/Linux is not Windows, Ubuntu is not Microsoft (only getting there, veeery slowly ;) ), and Firefox is not IE! The average Ubuntu user is much, much smarter than that. Maybe she’ll be slightly irritated when first searching the web after upgrading to Lucid, but for no longer than the few seconds it takes to change the default back to the right search engine.

]]> By: Fabian http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-545 Fabian Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:04:40 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-545 Hmm, so you guess the deal is only one sided for Ubuntu? Really nobel from Microsoft. But what if Ubuntu makes 1 cent per search through Yahoo/Bing but at the same time Microsoft makes 2 cents due to the delivered advertisement? Whom do you help more Ubuntu or Micrsoft? Hmm, so you guess the deal is only one sided for Ubuntu? Really nobel from Microsoft.

But what if Ubuntu makes 1 cent per search through Yahoo/Bing but at the same time Microsoft makes 2 cents due to the delivered advertisement?

Whom do you help more Ubuntu or Micrsoft?

]]> By: Stephen Michael Kellat http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-544 Stephen Michael Kellat Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:48:46 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-544 In light of Google possibly abandoning the Chinese market while Yahoo! is staying put, would this not instead be considered an inclusive measure? Staying with using Google in this instance does not make this human-friendly computing as it instead singles out an national grouping for exclusion. In light of Google possibly abandoning the Chinese market while Yahoo! is staying put, would this not instead be considered an inclusive measure? Staying with using Google in this instance does not make this human-friendly computing as it instead singles out an national grouping for exclusion.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-543 Chuck Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:37:48 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-543 My issue is not Canonical finding ways to profit. My issue is the lack of choice on the upgrade from the previous default. Defaults tend to be popular choices. Many people choose google as their search not only because it is the default option. Those people will be affected due to this change. On a fresh install the change is not a big deal. A different default for a new version. On an upgrade the user's choices should be respected. My issue is not Canonical finding ways to profit. My issue is the lack of choice on the upgrade from the previous default.

Defaults tend to be popular choices. Many people choose google as their search not only because it is the default option. Those people will be affected due to this change.

On a fresh install the change is not a big deal. A different default for a new version. On an upgrade the user’s choices should be respected.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-542 Chuck Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:35:21 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-542 As you say, it is two clicks to change it after annoying the end user. With my suggestion it is one click, explains to the user why one selection would help the Ubuntu project and allow the user to make a choice. For those that don't care about the particular search engine they'll likely choose the one that supports the project. Simply changing the search to Yahoo will not explain to the user that it is a revenue sharing deal that will benefit the project. It will be an annoyance for those that prefer Google, their previous choice. As you say, it is two clicks to change it after annoying the end user.

With my suggestion it is one click, explains to the user why one selection would help the Ubuntu project and allow the user to make a choice. For those that don’t care about the particular search engine they’ll likely choose the one that supports the project.

Simply changing the search to Yahoo will not explain to the user that it is a revenue sharing deal that will benefit the project. It will be an annoyance for those that prefer Google, their previous choice.

]]> By: Zac http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-541 Zac Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:05:19 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-541 I do not like Yahoo because it is powered by Microsoft's Bing. However, I do support this strategic move if it gives some revenue which then can be funnelled into Linux. Sometimes one has to give little in order to move forward, but never lose site of the goal. This is what Canonical is doing. I consider it a smart, yet bold move which is sure to rub some Linux users the wrong way. I do not like Yahoo because it is powered by Microsoft’s Bing.

However, I do support this strategic move if it gives some revenue which then can be funnelled into Linux.

Sometimes one has to give little in order to move forward, but never lose site of the goal. This is what Canonical is doing. I consider it a smart, yet bold move which is sure to rub some Linux users the wrong way.

]]> By: Soren http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-540 Soren Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:11:15 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-540 Tons of things change in Ubuntu with each release. I'm doubtful any user would appreciate having to answer 320 questions, all to the tune of "So, you're using the default . This may be because you prefer that one, or because you don't care, don't know any better, or maybe have never even used it, so obviously haven't changed it. Ubuntu has a new default. Would you like to accept the new default, or do you want to stick with what was the default before?" I, myself, rather like not being bothered with a lot of questions during upgrades. Tons of things change in Ubuntu with each release. I’m doubtful any user would appreciate having to answer 320 questions, all to the tune of “So, you’re using the default . This may be because you prefer that one, or because you don’t care, don’t know any better, or maybe have never even used it, so obviously haven’t changed it. Ubuntu has a new default. Would you like to accept the new default, or do you want to stick with what was the default before?”

I, myself, rather like not being bothered with a lot of questions during upgrades.

]]> By: Vitor http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-539 Vitor Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:17:00 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-539 nice post! totally agree with the pop-up thing :) people say "ohhh Google steals your data and make statistics with it." I say "I rather be statistic and make the internet a better place to surf than being manipulated by Microsoft with their poor OS and applications." I hope Canonical stops there... if they get too close on Microsoft... well, gonna use Fedora :P nice post!
totally agree with the pop-up thing :)

people say “ohhh Google steals your data and make statistics with it.”

I say “I rather be statistic and make the internet a better place to surf than being manipulated by Microsoft with their poor OS and applications.”

I hope Canonical stops there… if they get too close on Microsoft… well, gonna use Fedora :P

]]> By: LGB http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-538 LGB Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:36:43 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-538 Yeah,I agree 100%. It's maybe OK to have new default for new install. But it's very bad, that an upgrade process modifies _my_ settings from the previous version (even if it's "my setting" in the sense only that it was the default before). Yeah,I agree 100%. It’s maybe OK to have new default for new install. But it’s very bad, that an upgrade process modifies _my_ settings from the previous version (even if it’s “my setting” in the sense only that it was the default before).

]]> By: Robert Wall http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-537 Robert Wall Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:06:25 +0000 http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=179#comment-537 > (powered by Bing) Actually, "possibly powered by Bing in the future if the regulators approve", I believe. I really don't see what the problem is with Canonical having a business arrangement with a company that also has one with Microsoft. The same is true of Dell and undoubtedly other companies Canonical already work with. > (powered by Bing)
Actually, “possibly powered by Bing in the future if the regulators approve”, I believe.

I really don’t see what the problem is with Canonical having a business arrangement with a company that also has one with Microsoft. The same is true of Dell and undoubtedly other companies Canonical already work with.

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